Sunday Opinion: Astroengine Gets Vaccinated

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NOTE: This post is a little light on the space science, but keep reading, you’ll see why I’m making such a big thing out of my trip to the doctors…

Yesterday was supposed to be a very productive blog-writing day, however, like all good plans, the day didn’t turn out the way I’d hoped.

For a start, I heard news about a wildfire on my doorstep (it started literally a few hundred metres from my house, and I was only alerted to this fact via Twitter – I wondered what all those helicopters were doing), which prompted me to run outside looking for an ominous smokestack, only to find I was an hour too late and the blaze had been put out by the superb LAFD.

Then I had to play babysitter to Astroengine.com’s server in the hope I was going to get hit by a flood of Digg traffic some… time… soon…

Then I had to let the rabbits out for a run. Barney felt the need to stick his head in the pool, so I decamped my office into the garden so I could make sure he didn’t decide to take a swim. Oh, there’s a lizard! She’s massive! Where’s my camera?

Then I had to run to the bank.

Oh yes, then I had to get to my appointment at the docs to have my tetanus vaccine booster.

Of all the things I hate in the world, syringes come a frightening third after slugs and tall buildings (don’t ask, just look up batophobia). However, these are phobias. If I start using logic and seriously consider all the scary stuff that could happen to me, I’d be most reluctant to become horribly sick and be responsible for infecting others with a nasty, preventable illness.

Hence the vaccine. And the achy arm.

I actually have a strange love for doctors surgeries, as soon as I walk through those doors, I hand all responsibility for my body to the specialists in white white and blue coats. If anything health-wise should happen, at least I have a team that can diagnose me and hopefully repair me. Yes, bad things happen in medical centres, but I’d much rather take my chances with highly professional individuals with years of training and a huge stack of qualifications, than leave things “to chance”.

So there I was sitting in the waiting room, trying to stay calm as I saw the nurse fill up the syringe with fluid from a tiny vial.

Naturally, I started chatting to try to distract myself from thinking too much about the jab. “Do you get many people not wanting to take vaccines?” I asked the nurse.

What do you mean?

Well, there’s this growing anti-vaccination movement I’ve read so much about,” I said, a little surprised she appeared to be genuinely surprised by the notion. “Some celebrities have taken it upon themselves to spread misinformation about the link between vaccines and the onset of autism in children.”

I heard about that,” she said, realizing what I was nervously talking about while staring at the needle in her hands. “But they are crazy, right? I mean, since when did they know anything about medicine?

As it turns out, the only complaint she’d heard from parents about the need to vaccinate their children is the cost, but even then there are options for financial help.

When I left the medical centre with a sore arm, I felt a little different than I had done in the past.

When getting my vaccinations in the UK, it was always a routine affair that required no thought, it was just one of those things you needed to function in society. It’s one of those things I had to do. Looking at my medical records, I received my first vaccine when I was a baby and throughout my life I’ve had regular shots (or as I call them “jabs” which my Mrs Astroengine finds highly amusing). I can quite safely say that I will never catch mumps, measles, rubella, hepatitis and a whole host of other nasties, because my immune system has been bolstered by a history of vaccinations.

Vaccines are highly successful, almost too successful.

Many life-threatening diseases have been wiped out by the widespread use of vaccines, leading to some misinformed individuals to believe vaccines are no longer needed (on the contrary). Then there’s the misplaced (and completely wrong) notion that vaccines are somehow linked with childhood autism. This is a topic that is as insane as it is bewildering, and what’s worse, Los Angeles has become a hothouse of stupid celebrities who think they have every right to be peddling their belief that parents should not vaccinate their kids.

Having seen Jenny McCarthy on the TV a LOT (no red carpet is safe from her Christian Diors), I’m quickly realising the media has a lot of sympathy for her views about the connection between autism and the MMR vaccine. Unfortunately, this makes her extremely vocal in my neck of the woods, and many of her anti-science remarks blend in with her celebritydom, so her message is very well polished, and very… reasonable. People listen to her, and when hubby Jim Carrey wades in with his crazy take of reality on the biggest blogging platforms, even more parents start to think twice about their choice to protect their children against deadly viruses.

If all of this is news to you I urge you to read up on it via Phil Plait’s Bad Astronomy. Phil has been bringing this topic up a lot, and at first I wondered what all the fuss was about. Then I had conversations with neighbours and family and many of them are concerned about Jenny et al.’s views on the topic. Fortunately, they all have the common sense to talk to a medical professional before making any rash decisions about boycotting vaccines. Their concerns were laid to rest by the GPs, nurses and healthcare professionals who don’t have the celebrity soap box so many of the famous are using for their personal crusades. So we need more professionals and scientists like Phil who actually know what they are talking about.

Science is a collection of facts, not a collection of personal opinions and beliefs, a notion many people don’t seem to understand. And judging by the density of palm-readers and psychics in my neighbourhood, there’s a lot of people who choose belief of the paranormal over logic.

So, when I walked away from the medical centre, marvelling at the protective injection I had just received (a little bit proud about how I didn’t pass out at the sight of the needle), I felt sad for the kids out there whose parents deemed it necessary to listen to the idiocy spewing from the plumped lips of an ex-Playboy model. Those children could become ill due to negligence (it is parental negligence), and there are an increasing number of deaths associated with diseases that were once unheard of in modern society.

I don’t have children, but when I do, I’ll make sure I’d read up on all the scientific facts first, but they will certainly be vaccinated. For me, vaccines are imperative for “herd immunity” and essential for a healthy society. Individuals who are un-vaccinated could easily become carriers of deadly diseases. In my eyes, an un-vaccinated child could be viewed as a potential weapon. If they are immunized at an early age, their bodies have the ability to fight off contagious disease, preventing unnecessary suffering and, ultimately, improve the health of society as a whole.

Conclusion

So why did I bother to go off-piste and discuss my concern about antivaxxers?

We live in a revolutionary age for mankind. We are exploring space, we have unbelievable technology, we are processing data at a faster rate than ever before. We communicate globally. Medical technology is helping us live for longer than ever before. We are stronger and more intelligent. On paper, mankind is doing pretty well. Yes, there are massive issues challenging us (climate change, economic crises, disasters, overpopulation etc.), but never before have we been able to confront these problems so well. If we had infinite resources and a strong political direction, the Universe could be our oyster.

But as with the antivax movement, anti-science and religious interference with science could undermine our very existence on this planet. Imagine a future where we have constructed a low-Earth orbit infrastructure, sending probes into deep space; we have quantum computing and fusion power. And yet a large portion of the “developed” world distrusts science at its core. Every year there’s a doomsday prophecy. Despite all the scientific evidence against, classrooms are teaching evolution along-side “intelligent design”. Some kids think the Universe is 6,000 years old, others know it is in fact 13.73 billion years old.

And then there’s the Jenny McCarthy’s of this world, spreading nonsense about why we should fear immunization. The media eats that stuff for breakfast, can you imagine what the media could be eating for dinner in a decade? The physical health of entire nations could be put in jeopardy. Who can advance mankind when borders are closed and our brightest minds are dying because of a pandemic caused by a mutated strain of a virus that should have been controlled decades ago?

Having fought a pitched battle with 2012 doomsday advocates for the last year, I’m seeing a pattern emerge. Anti-science is rocking the foundations of mankind, and if you don’t believe me, you need to spend some more time on the internet (a medium by which everyone has a voice, no matter how insane). For every science website, there’s ten websites with pseudo-science ramblings. Unfortunately, now that bigger entities are finding new and inventive ways to make money from people’s fear, I get the feeling we’ve seen nothing yet…

So, that was my big day of getting vaccinated. Interestingly, the most profound moment came at the medical centre as I was leaving with a Band Aid on my arm. The nurse who injected me, obviously thinking about what we were talking about in the waiting room said something very interesting. She asked me why people thought there was some elevated risk associated with vaccinations, after all, all medication carries some kind of “risk” (but the probability of anything bad happening is very, very small). As researched by my friend Greg Fish, these “toxins” don’t sound half as bad if you understand exactly what those scary-sounding ingredients actually are, and in what quantities they are administered.

Do these people have any idea how many toxins they breathe in every day?” the nurse asked as I walked out the door, referring to McCarthy and Carrey. Pointing at the traffic outside she added, “LA isn’t exactly known for it’s clean air!

Good point, I thought.

23 responses to “Sunday Opinion: Astroengine Gets Vaccinated

  1. Ian, I have to say that I'm a little shocked at your “article”. You claim the authority of science often, yet forego some of its basic tenets in all your rantings, that of philosophy & objectivity. You state that “For every science website, there’s ten websites with pseudo-science ramblings”, now you've just added your BLOG to the latter. How about some nice unbiased, objective *scientific* journalism from now on?Is that all AstroEngine is, just a nice vehicle for a few ranters BLOGs? No wonder all this 2012 material has been hitting my in-box (which incidentally, is about the end of the age of Capricorn, not the end of the world).I like the wording “herd immunity” which you've cited a couple of times, you should replace that with “herd mentality”. Exactly why did you get the vaccination again? Did you *need* to? You haven't explained that. Was it because your very life is threatened by “swine-flu”? Or because you're a good citizen and do everything the medical profession and government tell you to do?So how many people have died from this “pandemic” again? That's right, only a handful, many times less than the normal everyday influenza strain, and much less per year than properly prescribed conventional medicine it appears (which is supposedly the #1 killer in the US).Medicine, of whatever shape or form, does have a place, vaccines included. However they should only be used where required. Why don't you get the feline aids vaccine while you're at it? Just so you can have another trip to Nursie & get that nice safe warm fuzzy feeling. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Human beings who are both physically & mentally fit and healthy will do just fine thank you very much.Yes, babies, kids & adults may die before their time, not very nice, but a reality i.e. natural selection (life is killing us, *that* is scientific fact). Need we all be reminded what percentage of human history we've had vaccines for? You also state “there are an increasing number of deaths associated with diseases that were once unheard of in modern society.” Oh really… is this in proportion with the increase of population? Maybe earlier cases weren't properly reported or recorded? Or perhaps it's just a symptom of a sick society that pumps out “sheeple” who are unfit, malnourished and living in higher densities? Please elaborate… and just for an unbiased approach, why not look at the number of deaths from vaccinations? Or the number of infections from vaccinations?Vaccinations are no silver bullet (mercury actually). Surely “herd immunity”, or more correctly “herd survival” should be about choice, rather than compulsory nationwide vaccination. Don't go putting all your eggs in the same basket, a stupid move. And if the pro-vaxxers start witch-hunting the anti-vaxxers, you may as well kill them off before the virus gets a chance to spread, as you'll be doing them a favour – they won't want to live in a sick society that makes Aldous Huxley green with envy.The comments on this in the Bad Astronomy blog you've linked to make me sick already (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/…).Now for our sake, get back to some Astronomy!!

    • “So how many people have died from this [swine flu] “pandemic” again? That's right, only a handful, many times less than the normal everyday influenza strain”Pandemics are determined by infection rates and potential for significant impact on the overall health of the population, not necessarily mortality. The fact that we can fight this pandemic and very few people are dying is evidence that doctors know what they're doing. Just because some hack on TV is spewing off End Times predictions because it gets him ratings doesn't mean that swine flu is or ever was the next Black Plague.“Why don't you get the feline aids vaccine while you're at it?”Because felines don't get AIDS and diseases have a very hard time crossing the human/feline barrier so the risks are infinitesimal. A few minutes with a biology book would tell you that.“and just for an unbiased approach, why not look at the number of deaths from vaccinations? Or the number of infections from vaccinations?”Already done. Vaccines are 99% safe according to an immense volume of studies done since the 1940s when modern vaccination technology was developed and used in full. By contrast, the current outbreaks of mumps and measles in communities where vaccinations were delayed or stopped happened right after the vaccine scare by know-nothing hacks. In similar populations where vaccine rates are normal, there are very few, if any cases.Vaccines work. They're safe. They're effective. If you have a choice between no vaccine and a vaccine, you're better off with a vaccine every time. And if you disagree with that, take it up with a library of medical literature. Your ignorant rantings don't have the same weight as legitimate science.“Vaccinations are no silver bullet (mercury actually).”There hasn't been any mercury in vaccines for a decade. And when there was, it was a type that's quickly expunged from the body and in such low doses, you were exposed to more pollutants every day than throughout the entire vaccination process. Why was it there in the first place? To prevent bacterial infections. Now there are non-toxic products that do the same thing.“Surely 'herd immunit', or more correctly 'herd survival' should be about choice, rather than compulsory nationwide vaccination.”Right, because know-nothings with anti-government fantasies and strong opinions on subjects where they lack the proper education should decide on how medicine is practiced and be allowed to spread dangerous, preventable diseases, killing other people's children. That's surely a wise move.In your entire diatribe, there wasn't a single point of actual evidence or science. Just random, cliche ridden references to having a freedom of choice even if it harms others, based on a gross over-estimation of your rather lacking knowledge.

      • Gfish (et al), thanks very much for your replies. You're quite correct of course, my comment is a diatribe, as is your reply, everyone else's & the original blog posting. As stated there “you need to spend some more time on the internet (a medium by which everyone has a voice, no matter how insane)” and “Science is a collection of facts, not a collection of personal opinions and beliefs, a notion many people don’t seem to understand.”. What I was trying to do in a (I'll admit) harsh, sarcastic and obtuse manner was to turn these statements back on everything the blogger was saying. This is the Sunday *Opinion* column if I'm not mistaken. The author has negated their own comments, because remember “For every science website, there’s ten websites with pseudo-science ramblings.”Surely your fears of any outcome from people not taking a vaccine are sheer here-say, rather than factual science, as it is a future event and has yet to occur. Chaos & randomness are something even science struggles with, as it is a model of reality. Likewise, you fail to acknowledge that people have actually died from vaccines & can actually catch the virus in question from the vaccine (direct to the bloodstream I might add) that is supposed to prevent the illness. A new measles outbreak occured in my city recently from the measles vaccine. Would you like me to get one of these kids to call you or something?So what's the reason for the US legislation that exempts vaccination producers from liability when a pandemic is declared?”Right, because know-nothings with anti-government fantasies and strong opinions on subjects where they lack the proper education should decide on how medicine is practiced and be allowed to spread dangerous, preventable diseases, killing other people's children.”So know-alls with pro-dictatorship fantasies should huh? I'm glad you live in the US and I don't. If experience & history are anything to go by, governments, “experts” and corporations always know what's best for everyone's interests. Yeah right… And all this without a whiff of science. That was my point…Another point, is that all this is “a storm in a teacup” of course. Keep an eye on the pneumonic plague in China… sounds like the vaccine for that may not be all that useful yet.

      • “Likewise, you fail to acknowledge that people have actually died from vaccines & can actually catch the virus in question from the vaccine (direct to the bloodstream I might add) that is supposed to prevent the illness.”Links? Proof? Anything besides your word for it? It's possible to die from anything if you try hard enough, though not the virus in the vaccine because it's dead and inactive. Cases where death or allergic reactions were suspected to be from vaccines were generally traced back to bacterial contamination as in the 1976 swine flu vaccine. Although in that outbreak only one or two deaths were reported and could not be authoritatively pinned on the vaccine itself.“Would you like me to get one of these kids to call you or something?”That would be nice, but a link to a report of the outbreak and the study in which the outbreak of measles is pinned on vaccines and not some anti-vaxers kids infecting a local kindergarten would suffice. You know, links? Those things that support what you're talking about and give your assertions at least a passing guise of fact? And studies? Oh, you know what I mean…“So what's the reason for the US legislation that exempts vaccination producers from liability when a pandemic is declared?”There's such a legislation? And what are they supposed to be liable for? A disease for which they haven't made a vaccine yet?“And all this without a whiff of science. That was my point…”What exactly was your point? You ignored the scientific studies about vaccines and the sheer duration for vaccine studies, quote my irritation with know nothings like yourself insisting that the world join you in your ignorance and expect to find science in a rebuttal to a comment where you don't bother to provide anything scientific in the first place. In my humble opinion, you just like to argue but hate using actual science to do it.

      • “Links? Proof? Anything besides your word for it?”. Funny, could say the same thing for yours. Okay, you want to play “links”, here we go…A recent local case of fully vaccinated children contracting measles from the vaccine… (same strain? don't know yet)http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/07/1…Another local case: Another MeNZB Fully Vaccinated Child Dieshttp://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0608/S00026.htmBaxter ships vaccines With Live Avian Flu Virus To 18 Countries Worldwidehttp://preventdisease.com/news/09/031109_baxter…And lastly, obviously a work in progress, but still a point to be found in there…http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11457543“There's such a legislation?”. So is it my turn to tell you to go back to your books now? Sure..http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:…and another take…http://autismactioncoalition.org/immunity_legis… (mercury or not, just read it).Of course, this links game is pointless, the internet being what it is… no doubt you can find anything to support your view, just as I have. “killing other people's children” is done on both sides of the fence. You even said yourself, 99% safe.”You ignored the scientific studies about vaccines and the sheer duration for vaccine studies”, “you just like to argue but hate using actual science to do it.” <clap><clap><clap>. You're getting warm here. I not using science to argue with you because I'm *not* arguing about the science of vaccination. Have I ever said that the science is bogus? I do actually get it, OK? What I'm talking about is not a problem with science, or the theory of vaccines. You forget that your religion of science is not in control of our world (society)…The problem is in the links I provided above. It is a problem of human error, accidents & misconduct (vaccines being contaminated or infected, used improperly & unnecessarily, poor trials & misunderstanding). It is a problem with the world being run by economics & politics, rather than ethics & (yes) science. It is a problem of irrational human fear taking over e.g. from the original blog post – “In my eyes, an un-vaccinated child could be viewed as a potential weapon”. And the same can be said to much of the anti-vax movement.Rather than pro-vaxxer pious science zealots & anti-vaxxer “know-nothings with anti-government fantasies and strong opinions on subjects ” taking pot shots at each other (which does each side an injustice to itself), maybe we should just step back, reassess & try a little understanding. The world is not in a state of medical emergency, is it? There are alternatives to vaccines aren't there (prevention rather than cure).I recommend watching all 4 parts of “The Century of Self” on Google video. Highly recommended. It may just open your eyes to part of the problem I'm talking about…That's it. I'm done…

  2. My teen-aged son wants to know if vaccinations come with nurses like that. He's rolling up his sleeve as I type. ;)

  3. Marcus123 has “issues” Entertaining rant. Did your nurse really look like that? Perhaps he's just jealous. Be careful of calling out Jenny McCarthy too often; Jim Carrey is known to have a temper. Flu shot every year; pneumonia booster every 10, aspirin. Next.

  4. I'm not an epidemiologist, but I need to comment on the swine flu directed specifically to @marcus123. It is extremely easy to make simple conclusions based on tasty, digestible facts given to us by news outlets. Yes, the swine flu is currently associated with low mortality rates. A quick trip to the internets will help you understand two things. The first is what qualifies as a pandemic. Bet you never bothered looking that up. Secondly why the swine flu qualifies as a pandemic. (Hint: has to do with its genetic heritage, suspected mutability and NOT its mortality rate).The world health community is working hard to *prevent* disaster. It's so convenient to point fingers and cry fowl when you see nothing happening after the crank media pronounces possible apocalyptic endings for us. What you call a conspiracy, I call a job well done.

    • “Secondly why the swine flu qualifies as a pandemic. (Hint: has to do with its genetic heritage, suspected mutability and NOT its mortality rate).”WHO stopped tracking deaths of H1N1 Wine flu and yet they can confirm number of swine flu deaths. I personally think Common Flu should be declared a pandemic!! lolYou said Swine Flu ha to do with genetics. Can you clarify on this? I know we humans never had any pork DNA or bird DNA till they were introduced into vaccines.”The world health community is working hard to *prevent* disaster.”By using your tax money to build more hotlines, by engaging doctors as “military police” to mandate vaccinations even on those who are healthy and don't want it. Yep, I have to agree on what you said. They are working VERY HARD!

  5. A recent local case of fully vaccinated children contracting measles from the vaccine… Marcus, you should really read your own links. From the news clip:

    The Canterbury medical officer of health, Dr Cheryl Brunton, says they're trying to find out whether those people were properly vaccinated or if there were problems with the vaccine.

    So the doctors don't know what happened and why, but you already know for sure that the vaccine is to blame?Another local case: Another MeNZB Fully Vaccinated Child DiesThat was a rambling piece with out of context, poorly annotated graphs and various condemnations of a single, particular vaccine.Baxter ships vaccines With Live Avian Flu Virus To 18 Countries WorldwideFor some reason, I can't find confirmation on this story with any actual links to a press release from a site that doesn't specialize in New World Order conspiracy theories. Might as well link to David Icke and cut out the middleman…This is obviously a work in progress, but still a point to be found in there…So what do potential problems with a vaccine for bubonic plague have to do with routine vaccinations?And what's your take on this then?It goes against established medical research and the author clearly doesn't understand the purpose of vaccines or how they work. For example, he states the the body can already learn to fight a disease and that vaccines are completely useless because they just try to duplicate the body's natural functions.Absolutely wrong. Vaccines take advantage of the body's ability to learn how to fight new diseases by introducing an inactive virus into the bloodstream where it can be analyzed and destroyed.“There's such a legislation?”. So is it my turn to tell you to go back to your books now? Sure..It's a dead bill. Not a law. There are a lot of bills that never get passed. All work on this one was abandoned in 2006 when it died in committee. That was three years ago. Just an FYI.and another take… (mercury or not, just read it).Wow, you're hell bent on using bollocks for ammunition, aren't you? Because this was an awful lot of ranting based on very vague language of a small and murky rider to a bill.Of course, this links game is pointless, the internet being what it is… no doubt you can find anything to support your view, just as I have.So we're going to use this sort of reductionism, we could debate whether the Earth is flat with no regard for evidence or the quality of evidence we provide. And one of us would still be wrong.You forget that your religion of science is not in control of our world (society)…Don McLeroy, is that you?There are alternatives to vaccines, they aren't the only answer to everything.What alternatives? Homeopathy? Vitamin D? If there were any real alternatives that were just as beneficial and effective, a pharmaceutical company would already be selling them. Why? Because they can sell them for a profit.Question everything, like a good scientist should.Just don't question you and go watch a random movie on the internet that explains how the world *really* works, right?

  6. Hello Ian, I like the graphic and design of your blog. You have very good entries here.For the topic of vaccinations, I feel science did not (have never) shownefficacy of reducing pandemics at all. In fact, as far as 1972, a WHO memorandum, revealed they knew thimerasol (mercury) is capable of giving auto-immune diseases, Gullian Barre Syndrome, autism. Other questionable food additives like squalene, adjuvants and some of them have live attenuated virus (there's no saying that weakened virus can actually cause death) and in 2 vaccines – they contain harmful aspartame. In fact, thimerasol is used in some fungicides.One reason why vaccinations are deem safe is because political leaders who bought shares of vaccine-making companies, want vaccines to SELL. And they make a lot. Democratic Congressman, Frank Pallone, gave FDA two years to “compile” a list of drugs and foods that intentionally contain mercury compounds. If they were not dangerous, he would not have done so.While “only a minority” of people die or become paralysed by vaccinations, I certainly do not like to be part of that minority. Similarly to chemotherapy, vaccinations have broken the very first health rule of Hippocrates,”Do no harm.”Also, it's also about us losing health freedom for the vaccinations we want or do not want. I overheard someone saying “”If the MMR vaccine curtails spread of Rubella, why isn't the Rubella-only vaccine available in Ontario/Canada?”Those of us still alive after being vaccinated are slowly seeing (5 to 40 years down the road) signs of chronic diseases in other ways. Though I tell friends not to get vaccinated and end up like Ian (Ref: http://iansvoice.org/days8thru11.aspx ) it is up to them to decide, as it will be up to you to decide.Best regardskelly

  7. If vaccines are so wonderful, and we cant live without them, then how did the human race survive without them as long as it did? Are you trying to say that we need to kiss the collective behinds of politicians and big pharma because without them and the wonderful vacines they produce/make mandatory have saved the human race from extinction? So the studies big pharma conducts and pays for is real science, but studies which are performed by actual scientists who have no financial stake in vaccines are junk science? Please explain this reasoning. Then again dont. You are the perfect global citizen. Believing everything you are told and doing everything your told. How does it feel to know that by getting yourself vaccinated you have just committed suicide, albeit slow suicide, but still suicide nonetheless. Get your FACTS straight. Wait a minute……are you a FED or maybe a misinformation agent for big pharma? You can never be too sure these days.

  8. I'm finding it especially sad that anti-vaxxers are so upset about a piece involving a tetanus shot in particular. I'm pretty sure that I'm alive today with all limbs intact due to that vaccine, I've been punctured and cut by quite a few rusty things when working at barns when I was younger.When I picked up a stray dog years ago I got a few books on animal care that were full of anti-vaxx messages (the first time I encountered that movement) or even full-blown chapters covering both sides of the debate. It was pretty easy to tell who to listen to, they actually had the acronym DVM after their names! I couldn't even find vets at alternative practices who weren't pro-vaccination. Just a few years ago a stray cat moved in with me who was infected with FIV. It was the hardest thing in the world to watch him get so sick and I was delighted to learn about the vaccine, it may have been to late for my cat, but I don't want anyone else to have to go through that, feline or human, if it's preventable.In many ways I DON'T trust the government, pharmaceutical companies, or even doctors that I don't know well (encountered enough quacks to learn that lesson). If I did I'd have spent the last 19 years of my life on painkillers that were making me ill. That said, the situation is completely different with vaccines than many other issues. Pharmaceutical companies make less on vaccines than medicines to treat all sorts of conditions, they sometimes have to be implored just to put their R&D money into them at all instead of using it to create, say, a better Viagra. Scientists are behind these decisions, not politicians.I knew a doctor who worked in a poor rural area in the Deep South who was constantly treating thoroughly preventable diseases, watching patients die for no reason other than a lack of vaccinations and basic sanitary knowledge. This is right in America, not some third-world country or land of oppressive dictatorship. We should know better and make sure our citizens do, too.As for Jenny McCarthy, every time I see her I can't help but think, “I'm not a doctor and I don't even play one on TV.”

    • “I knew a doctor who worked in a poor rural area in the Deep South who was constantly treating thoroughly preventable diseases, watching patients die for no reason other than a lack of vaccinations and basic sanitary knowledge.”Lack of basic sanitation knowledge (no water?) and malnourishment are the true killers, not lack of vaccination. When you cut the skin of your finger, it can heal without vaccination. All living organisms are capable of self-healing without vaccination if they are well-nourished. This also applies to us human beings.

  9. So you like having your regular “jabs”. But hey, people are toooo “phobic” when it comes to health. Freaking lot of research reports every year and they read & worry about everything religiously ;-)
    They might even want to go through some paralegal training before taking a pee. LOL. No offence.

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